Fender '68 silverface princeton reissue?

Donald077Donald077
edited August 2013 in Root
Rumors on the forums, about Fender going to bring out 3 silverface models.
One of them is a princeton.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fender-68-Princeton-Reverb-Re-Issue-BE-THE-FIRST-TO-HAVE-IT-FAST-SHIP-/121166595430?
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  • CaptainBbCaptainBb
    edited September 2013
    Deluxe Reverb and Twin Reverb being the other two.

    http://www.tdpri.com/forum/amp-central-station/425148-well-ok-bring-silverface-reissues.html

  • campinoutcampinout
    I am a little confused at this, as it had been my understanding that a 1968 "drip edge silverface" Fender basically sounds like a blackface Fender, since it was the first year of the new one, the guts on the inside were still the same. So is this amp supposed to sound like a silverface or a blackface? Considering they already made blackface reissues, and no silverface reissues, the "1968 drip edge" marketing has got me scratching my head, why would they choose that year for a silverface reissue?

    I recently had some silverface amps on my radar, as naturally Jim's playing had sparked my interest. I have been very happy with my tweed reissue, but the blackface reissues don't seem to be as popular as a vintage one. Silverface was the only one they had not reissued at the time, and considering how long they were made for I seriously questioned if that day would ever come (SFRI). I guess that day has arrived, and I'm certain Jim's high praise and smoking performances are mostly to thank for the resurgence...i'm just still not sure if it's supposed to sound like a SF or BF.

    I did wind up with an old one (73) so I am more generally curious about it, and not so hot for one. love my 2010 Blues Jr Tweed NOS as well though.
  • campinoutcampinout
    and my Guild Maverick! how could I leave that out. 1970. only "mod" is a new fender reverb pan. is like a silvertone/vibrolux/ampeg thing goin on. nasty!
  • AaronWAaronW
    Campinout - you are right, an original 1968 Princeton Reverb would be the same as a 66/67 Princeton. However, when you look at the specs of the new Custom version '68 Princeton, they made some modifications to it to make it break up, or distort, quicker along with some other things.
  • campinoutcampinout
    Aaron- thank you for the reply. Makes some sense as no reissue I suppose is intended to truly duplicate or replace the vintage one hundred percent. The new SF amps look cool and I'm sure sound fantastic. I bet they have a sound of their own. Also, my comments were not limited to the Princeton reverb, but rather all SF fenders. There are a few different ones they are reissuing. The 73 I scored is not a Princeton (it's a super). Havnt done much with it yet but it sounded incredible when I picked it up.
  • lesheirlesheir
    Why would fender put a $35 speaker in a $950 Princeton reissue?
  • lesheirlesheir
    Why cheap speaker in Princeton reissue?
  • JimCampilongoJimCampilongo
    edited November 2013
    Personally- I like the Celestion G-10.

    I recorded my last record Dream Dictionary, mainly, with Silverface Princeton Reverb with the Celestion G-10. I think they sound great! Additionally I enjoy the no "breaking in" period. They sound good right off.

    Look guys... this isn't a "state of the art" sound- When on 10, these things sound like a pig barking (in a good way!), when on 3 or 4, a nice "jazz" tone occurs, at least on my tele.

    West coast amp guru Keith Reinegger recommended the Celestion to me about 12 years ago and I've been using them as an option since...

    Keith Reinegger
    Amp Lab
    279 Dillon Ave # 1
    Campbell, CA 95008
    (408) 871-2422

    Honestly? I FORGOT they were so affordable. Anyway, that's just me - and I know there are many fine products available.

    More about speakers here...
    http://jimcampilongo.com/about/gear.php

    G-10...
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  • ruger9ruger9
    I'm trying to decide which speaker to put in my JC PRRI.... (the stock C10R has a good tone, but can't handle bass or drive at all)

    At first, I had decided on the Weber 10F150 (which is a copy of the famous Jensen C10N), figuring it would be "correct", but now I am waffling between that and the G10.... I was thinking of waiting for Jim's new record to hear it, but ALOT of people seem to love Celestions in their PR/PRRIs.....
  • TelecasterTelecaster
    I once had that Weber in my original 1968 PR. It is a very good, loud speaker with strong bass and clear highs. But I have to admit that I finally went back to my Princeton's original Oxford speaker which sounded more "correct" - at least to my ears. I think if you want to play at high volume levels, the Weber might be perfect.
  • ruger9ruger9
    It's not even volume I'm after, I love the lower volume of the PRRI, but the stock speaker can't handle bass or drive with sounding like a "barking pig" like Jim said lol. I want to be able to pound that low E string without the speaker sounding like it's about to give up the ghost.

    All reports say both the Weber 50W and the Celestion (ANY celestion) handles that quite well.
  • awpawp
    I keep reading this complaint about the stock PRRI speaker but it isn't my experience at all. At home with my Strat I generally run the bass at 8 and the volume at a 4 or 5 controlling the overall volume with my guitar. No flubbing out to my ears. With my humbucker equipped tele I run the bass a little lighter like 6.

    I've come to the conclusion that I must like a sound that others don't or I have an exceptional speaker.

    Regards
    Warren
  • ruger9ruger9
    Warren,

    It's all about volume. For relatively quiet home playing, that won't get you evicted, the stock speaker is fantastic. I really like the stock speaker AT HOME. But, I own a house, so I am able to crank up a little more... and as the volume goes up, that's where the stock speaker begins farting out. I think the PR was designed as a "student" amp, something for home volumes, not something for gigs. It IS loud enough to keep up with a drummer, (just ask JC), but it needs a speaker change to be capable of doing that.

    But all that matters is that you love your amp, for your usage. That's the entire goal: the right amp for the right job.
  • awpawp
    Fair enough. I have played the PRRI out of the home at jam sessions at higher volume and thought it was fine there too but my primary use is at home where the PRRI is perfect.

    For the record my gigging amp is an 80's Peavey Special which is not much like a Princeton.

    Regards
    Warren


  • AaronWAaronW
    I've got a Tone Tubby Ceramic Hemp Cone Speaker in my Princeton Reverb. It's got a larger magnet. I like it a lot. It was very similar to the Celestion G10 Vintage in my opinion. I stuck with the Tone Tubby b/c I felt it was a little rounder sounding. Had the overall sound of the G10, but a little extra with it. I know the G10 is cheaper, but if you look around you can get the Tone Tubby's pretty cheap used. Think I paid $75 for mine.
  • ruger9ruger9
    Thats a great price for the TT! I haven't seen one that cheap yet.
  • campinoutcampinout
    have any of you ever played Guild amps? I had one for a long time...I recently got a second. may have 2 more by the end of next week haha. hopefully at least a third. They are incredible! (with a few exceptions to some of the smaller models)
  • matthewosburnmatthewosburn
    The warehouse veterans are great and very affordable. they also sound really good right out of the box. check 'em out.
  • Donald077Donald077
    edited April 2014
    Well I tried one today, here is my mini review. From the first look and feel, it is the same quality than my PRRI. I couldn't look inside because it was filled with papers and stuff. I asked to plug it in. The amp sounds very different than the usual Princeton. Darker, more bass and middle. The sales guy told me it takes pedals better than the PRRI. The reverb was weak in my ears, no fun there. The tremelo was the big suprice. What a sound! I liked that a lot.

    So for the 15 minutes that I spend with it:
    pro:
    -build quality seems the same than the prri brother (without a peak under
    the hood that is)
    -It looks a lot nicer that on the pictures, it's a bit of a eye catcher
    -the tremelo is super nice!

    bad:
    -sound is dark and flat.
    -not a big difference in price with the PRRI.
    -reverb is weak

    I think the custom line of amp are for people who use their pedalboard for their sound. "JustNick" comes to the same conclusion in his YouTube review

    But what about that weak reverb :(
  • joebonnijoebonni
    i played one the other day and it was rockin ................
  • ClaudeClaude
    I played one and thought it was too hissy, unsuitable for studio work. The reverb was hissy as well and the trem which generated a loud ticking noise. With the reverb past 5 and the trem on 10 it was unbearable. I was disappointed by the 68 PR. I hope the 65 PRRI is better in that respect.
  • ruger9ruger9
    Man, that PRRI reverb is some of the most gorgeous I've ever heard. Shame it's not in the "68" Custom.
  • joebonnijoebonni
    yeah thats for sure I also like the Fender Super Sonic with one 12" speaker great sound but some the purist wont like it because it has no rectifier tube but it is way sweet sounding much like the PRRI
  • ruger9ruger9
    I actually sold my PRRI because the clean channel on my SS22 "does" the PRRI clean close enough for me. And is better dirty. WAY better dirty. Downside? The SS's reverb is NOT like the PRRI/DRRI, unfortunately... it's ok, just not awesome like most Fender spring reverb is.
  • Donald077Donald077
  • halouishalouis
    "I always thought negative feedback was something on a questionnaire." haha! Always love Jim's quirky sense of humor. terrific, fun and unique video with two tele masters!
  • halouishalouis
    edited August 2014
    And this....
  • weelieweelie
    edited September 2014
    So the Sonic Tele was done on one of these (I don't know where I got that idea)? Was the speaker swapped for a G10?
  • JimCampilongoJimCampilongo
    Totally stock

    Thanks

  • weelieweelie
    edited September 2014
    Yeah, in Finland, I've seen you play vintage Deluxe Reverb and '65 reissue Princeton (among others, I bet), always sounding good to my ears...!

    ...though I vaguely remember some crackling issues with a PR reissue, but nothing that a solid kick in the side would not help, I think. :D
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